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#1 Squanto

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 01:40 PM

So... the way I understand it is Marksmanship in LoD has two separate conditions:

 

1) If your hero is an agility hero -- you receive +70 bonus agility (which in turn gives +70 bonus damage because any boost to your main stat causes a boost in damage)

 

2) If your hero is non-agility --- you receive +70 bonus agility AND +70 bonus dmg unless a hero is within a 400 AoE of your hero for 4 seconds, in which case the bonus damage temporarily disappears.

 

So the issue I want to report is that it seems like images (Phantasm, Mirror Images, Conjure Image, Disruption Images) fall under both conditions, receiving +140 damage from Marksmanship on agility heroes. I've noticed on several occasions when I pick Marksmanship + Phantasm on agility heroes that my images actually have more bonus damage that my base hero -- resulting in them doing more damage than my base hero.

 

I could be wrong, but it's something that usually is left unsaid or people do not notice.

 

Let me know what you think.

 

 



#2 Burnt

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 03:22 PM

The 400 range/4 sec delay rules apply to MELEE heroes regardless of main stats.

 

Counterexample to 1): If you pick gondar, you lose the bonus agility when enemy hero is within 400 range for 4 sec+

 

Counterexample to 2): If you pick dazzle, you lose bonus agility/dmg instantly when enemy hero is within 400 range


totally BURNT


#3 ResQ

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 05:43 PM

Confirmed bug



#4 Whiteboard

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 11:50 AM

Please keep in mind that your stats are partially transfered to your illusions, while Marksmanship passive ability is active for them as well.

 

Double Marksmanship:

This leads to your 70 AGI from MM boosting your illusions -> And ontop of that they gain MM for themselfs -> Leading to having another layer of AGI applied to them.
- Making it an extremly valuable pick for AGI carries with illusions.

 

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Far as the non-agi bonus is applied, imma need to check for myself in order to verify this if illusions would gain +70 damage.
- If hypotheticly that is the case, it means that illusions counts as a hero and a "non-agi" hero -> Apply +70 dmg.

 

MM is a special case, since it's an ability that applies Agility to your hero and it works for illusions as well.
Usually an ability like "Attribute Bonus" would just simply boost your main hero and illusions wouldn't benefit more than your original hero does from "AB".

 

- Regards, Whiteboard.


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#5 Squanto

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 12:36 PM

I understand why the bonus applies twice to illusions but that does not mean that mechanic should remain in play. It's not working as intended. The MM bonus should only apply once, just like an attribute bonus.

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 09:06 PM

i do not know of a way to give working green dmg to illus except through green main stat. all claws based things visually show on illusions but dont actually add dmg. same for this behavior unless draco found some magic unknown to me and applied it unintentionally in this case only somehow.

 

whiteboard is talking out of his ass. i dont know the specifics but you can test and see illu and hero have same agi.



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 08:36 AM

i do not know of a way to give working green dmg to illus except through green main stat. all claws based things visually show on illusions but dont actually add dmg. same for this behavior unless draco found some magic unknown to me and applied it unintentionally in this case only somehow.

 

whiteboard is talking out of his ass. i dont know the specifics but you can test and see illu and hero have same agi.

 

I may have been incorrect on my data, and because of your reply - I'd need to double check it for myself.

However, I remember that Marksmanship was enabled for illusions and it was a huge fucking rave about it.
- Being the most dominant and popular pick for days to weeks.

 

Regardless Marksmanship is supposed to give stats to you and then it applies stats to illusions, having your primary stats transfer while having the bonus applied again.

 

- Regards, Whiteboard.


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