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[Jiminy_Cricket]

I saw a centaur today with pa blur and halbard miss like 75% of the time.  Please say evasion does not stack.  PA's blur is already op.

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[kuyz]

According to the dota 2 wiki, evasion stacks diminishingly since 6.79. I don't know though if and how evasion is implemented in LoD.

(http://dota2.gameped...ookieSetup=true)

Using the formulas on the wiki, Lvl 4 Blur + halberd should have something like 62.5% evasion.

[ResQ]

Yes, it stacks, this was ported like a year ago or so, from dota 2.

[sewww]

butterfly +  halberd  ( 35% + 25% ) = 35% + 6.5% +6.5 %+3.25%  = 51.25%  (51%)
Butterfly + butterfly = 35% + 3x6.5% + 3.25% = 57.25%   (57%)
3x butterfly =  35%+ 3x6.5% +3.25% + 3x4.275% + 2.1325% = 72.7075%     (73%)

[Jiminy_Cricket]

Im thinkin the in the Lod version blur should not stack as much since the idea is to make evasion diminishing after 35%.  As we see on the 3rd bfly the gains drop even more.  But if someone takes blur and blfy or blur and halbard the evasion is pretty damn op.  I say nerf as the diminishing returns intended.  any adds over 50% get the major diminished return.  We couldnt even hit the dude in the game Im thinkin about.  And he was a mega tank with morph, return and bt.  He just ran us all over.  Could not kill him.

[ResQ]

Im thinkin the in the Lod version blur should not stack as much since the idea is to make evasion diminishing after 35%.  As we see on the 3rd bfly the gains drop even more.  But if someone takes blur and blfy or blur and halbard the evasion is pretty damn op.  I say nerf as the diminishing returns intended.  any adds over 50% get the major diminished return.  We couldnt even hit the dude in the game Im thinkin about.  And he was a mega tank with morph, return and bt.  He just ran us all over.  Could not kill him.

Seems like you spend a lot of time theorycrafting
In reality, who buys 3 Butterflies? Additionally, even if he had just Butterfly and Halberd, he'd have spent 9850g for that alone. MKB costs half of that and it counters evasion entirely (unless you depend on "arrow"based-skills to deal your damage, glaives of wisdom, etc)

[sm0ke]

Yes, it stacks, this was ported like a year ago or so, from dota 2.

So now can pick Blur & Drunken Brawler then make Butterfly to get (50% + 25% + 35%) = other 100% total evasion, right?

Fountain in this case will always miss since it can't carry items MKB !_!

[ResQ]

So now can pick Blur & Drunken Brawler then make Butterfly to get (50% + 25% + 35%) = other 100% total evasion, right?

Fountain in this case will always miss since it can't carry items MKB !_!

 

No, evasion is not added together, it stacks multiplicatively and most importantly, it has a diminishing effect - which plainly means that the more evasion you have, the less effect you get from buying more evasion. Gaining 100% evasion is impossible.

[sm0ke]

I think formula is simple. Instead of sum evasion as ppl might think other calculation happens. Chance to hit multiplies.

I.e: pick Blur 50% and make Butterfly 35% total chance to hit will be like that::

(1 - 0.5) * (1 - 0.35) = 0.5 * 0.65 = 0.325
Chance to hit will be in this case 32.5%
This mans total Evasion will be: 100% - 32.5% = 67.5% only (instead of 85%)

I hope this is right behavior.