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[Jiminy_Cricket]

The images on a ranged hero just destroy towers and racks.  Can we take this down a notch?  Put it together with bouncing glaives and you cant even stand near the images or youll die before killing two of the images.

[Whiteboard]

The display of power is a natural tendency in dota/lod. It comes in many forms and by diffrent methods.

And with that said, things are countered by something else in just as a destructive manner as the display of power was.

 

 

 

As of now: Buildings (towers only perhaps, I dont recall if it was limited to those alone) have a triggered heal whenever attacked by images/clones/illusions. Thus reducing damage taken by 25%.

 

But for you to turn your game around when that happens is simple. You go on the offensive.

 

Echoslam counters his entire swarm and punishes him for having them there in the first place.

Naturally, you need to determine if the real hero is in the bunch in the first place to get a kill out of it.

Ergo making it worthwhile and preventing more image spawns.

 

- Sincerely, Whiteboard.

[Jiminy_Cricket]

No.  The images are unstoppable unless you lucky draft and get something like FF and BT.   Even more OP after fatal bonds got over nerfed.  

[ResQ]

Try picking builds around Legion Commander's Overwhelming Odds or Obsidian Destroyers Arcane Orb to counter illusion builds.

Fyi, Fatal Bonds were not overnerfed - they are still stronger than normal Dota's (LoD: 3/5/7/9 targets, Dota: 3/4/5/6 targets)

[Jiminy_Cricket]

Another mass images pusher ruins the game.  Unstoppable game after game after game.  The problem is there are too many images.  You die getting to the right hero.  Mirror images and pl passive and manta.  You cant stop that without major draft luck.  Do we want lod to be a luck game or a strategy game?

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[Whiteboard]

Tbh. The fact that images are now overthrowing the prior meta right now is simply the development of the community.

 

I do note the fact that a minor group of passives have been buffed to work in conjuction with illusions and hence pushed the concept up to the stage.

 

And as it is, the community needs to find a feasable response to this. If it can't be found when all the stones have been turned, the nail from the haystack proved useless and pigs wont fly - it's time to balance things accordingly.

 

The core concept however which any carry progress through is farming. In my channel, we often do the misstake of letting an illusionist farm - that decision (or lack of decisions) results in our defeat.

 - No diffrent from any other carry.

 

I suggest that you deny him farm in early + mid game. And find a decent method of wiping his army out plus himself. If "Extended Balance" is inactive, i'd consider Tidebringer a first pick combined with firepower (crit, more cleave and damage).

 

Verdict: It's easy to whine on a winning strategy, but if you have the will. You can overturn it. Wait for the meta to establish and evolve. If not, balance things out.

 

- Sincerely, Whiteboard.

[sewww]

if only there were a massive aoe dmg skills like Lina skills , shaker skills , Krobelius skills , magnus skills , Luna glaive , medusa split shot , cleave skills , DK ulti , jakiro skills ,  invoker skills ...... f*ck that shit  , "we are to retarded to think , so lets cry about it"

[Jiminy_Cricket]

sewww when you insult people you really only insult yourself.  Btw too has two o's.

[Jiminy_Cricket]

mirror images, juxtapose, conjure image, metamorphasis, nesaj ult, nova.  

 

We raped a good team in about 15 minutes cause they couldnt do crap against my images.  Pretty sure the towers dont even heal.  My images mowed them down in no time flat.

 

 

Not sure if this build is too imba or just needs an item that can combo it.  What about making diffusal aoe?  target an image with it and it disapates images in a 500 aoe or something?  And make any image hit by diffusal blade disipate (cleave counts too) Just a thought...  just trying to make a counter thats buildable like an item.  Love item counters.  If they ff, you bkb, if they omnislash you ghost scepter.  It makes the game more fun if theres an out.  

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[ResQ]

PL will be remade into the 6.83 version next patch, that should nerf juxtapose at least.