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#1 antiweltteilchen

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:39 AM

had this juicy game yesterday with suicide and natural order. that -armor -spell res makes sure that suicide hits hard until lategame. rounded the build up with stormbolt and overgrowth and got veil.

soul catcher penitence and flesh golem spring to mind as well but natural order rly is the key synergy here.



#2 MYSTATSOWNFILIP

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:55 PM

maldict get it



#3 Meatmuffin

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 12:22 PM

maldict get it

maledicts range is too close, i wouldn't recommend picking it, better some stun


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#4 antiweltteilchen

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 12:34 PM

well if u suicide u are close anyway, yet the instantkill factor surely is the saver option. maledict can be countered by heals and bkb, suicide cant.



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 01:44 PM

reincarnation + suicide ftw  ^_^



#6 antiweltteilchen

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 02:06 PM

charge+suicide+rearm!



#7 Djargoo

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 10:01 PM

Add Requiem to your natural order


fuk u


#8 Grief-Code

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 05:53 PM

charge+suicide+rearm!

doesnt work since v3a ;)



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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:44 PM

1. Natural Order

2. Suicide Attack

3. Windwalk / Reality Rift / Blink / Maledict

4. Lifebreak / Vendetta / Rearm / WottG / Ice Blast

 

Obviously dont combine Windwalk with Vendetta.

 

Using autocast while stealthed will break the stealth before suiciding - Granting no bonus damage.

 

If Maledict + Life Break + Suicide is combined, I have serious doubts of anything surviving that impact. Granted that you Maledict before LB.

If LB is casted first of all, Maledict will suffer in terms of damage dealt.

 

Reality Rift does not grant additional damage for Auto-casting a successive Suicide. But will grant instant effect with Auto Cast.

 

Combine Maledict + Ice Blast for massive guaranteed damage. (Maledict deals more damage based on how much health is missing from the initial point they were afflicted by Maledict when the big dot strikes. Ice Blast does not prevent healing - but resets the health to what it last was before it was increased -> HP will definetly go down.)

 

My personal recomendation is Ww + RA, with the gold you can go supportive with items by spamming cooldowns on people.


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#10 sunnymarcell

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 08:17 PM

akshully i would go echo slam as ult since it would fucking wreck teamfights


resq lodo is best lodo, cast SoF, instant die lodo.


#11 Meatmuffin

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 12:07 PM

1. Natural Order

2. Suicide Attack

3. Windwalk / Reality Rift / Blink / Maledict

4. Lifebreak / Vendetta / Rearm / WottG / Ice Blast

 

Obviously dont combine Windwalk with Vendetta.

 

Using autocast while stealthed will break the stealth before suiciding - Granting no bonus damage.

 

If Maledict + Life Break + Suicide is combined, I have serious doubts of anything surviving that impact. Granted that you Maledict before LB.

If LB is casted first of all, Maledict will suffer in terms of damage dealt.

 

Reality Rift does not grant additional damage for Auto-casting a successive Suicide. But will grant instant effect with Auto Cast.

 

Combine Maledict + Ice Blast for massive guaranteed damage. (Maledict deals more damage based on how much health is missing from the initial point they were afflicted by Maledict when the big dot strikes. Ice Blast does not prevent healing - but resets the health to what it last was before it was increased -> HP will definetly go down.)

 

My personal recomendation is Ww + RA, with the gold you can go supportive with items by spamming cooldowns on people.

whats WottG


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#12 sunnymarcell

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 03:56 PM

whats WottG

 

wrath of the thundergod, muffin please.


resq lodo is best lodo, cast SoF, instant die lodo.


#13 antiweltteilchen

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 05:51 PM

actually its called thundergod's wrath, making the abbreviation inaccurate



#14 Whiteboard

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 07:44 PM

I wont tolerate this uncalled for update on the tooltips.

 

To me, It will always be Wrath of the thundergod. 


GG humanity, as always.

#15 MYSTATSOWNFILIP

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 08:28 PM

lets keep it simple and call it "Zeus" ;)



#16 Meatmuffin

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:25 PM

lets keep it simple and call it "Zeus" ;)

Zeus ulti. :D


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#17 Meatmuffin

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:27 PM

I wont tolerate this uncalled for update on the tooltips.

 

To me, It will always be Wrath of the thundergod. 

And whiteboard , it would be WotTG.


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Posted 13 February 2015 - 06:38 PM

Well, since Suicide deals physical damage, Presence of the Dark Lord would work too, but Natural Order is way better, now since both of them stack, and they also stack with Acid Spray, here is a combo for s6:

Suicide + Natural Order + Presence of the Dark Lord + Acid Spray + Reincarnation + Rearm

 

The build works fine with Stygian Desolator, Assault Cuirass and Medallion of Courage. Be sure to include items to grant high mp regeneration.

For the normal s4, it would go like this:

Suicide + Natural Order + Acid Spray/Presence of the Dark Lord + Reincarnation






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